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George Bush held a press conference yesterday in which he professed to care very much about the moral integrity of our nation. He outlined the reasons why it's necessary that Congress work to amend the Constitution to ban gays from being able to marry in states that might otherwise sanction it. It has virtually no chance of passing in the Senate, but as I said in my last blog post, this whole thing is about elections and not really about gay marriage at all.
I was glad ABC news noticed, as I did, that the Bush press conference was moved out of the Rose Garden where it was previously scheduled to be held: "The president stood on the stage alone, gave a muted speech and quickly left ... While his words in favor of the Marriage Protection Amendment were tough, the event itself lacked the pageantry that could have backed up the force of his words."
Did Bush (read: his handlers) experience some last-minute second-guessing as to how it might look for the leader of the free world to be using such a grand and floral presidential pulpit to so visibly single out a group of Americans as second-class citizens? And waving around the U.S. Constitution as a master uses his whip, no less?
I got an e-mail today from my high school English teacher. He's a dear friend now and has been for 25+ years, but it's still fun to refer to him as "my high school English teacher." He reads my blog (talk about pressure to punctuate) and wrote to me to echo my outrage, saying that Bush's constitutional meddling is "the first time ever our Constitution is used to be discriminatory, exclusive instead of inclusive. It would mean the destruction of the document and another step toward the fascism this administration stands for."
In fact, I received a bunch of outraged e-mail on this topic, and outraged comments left here on the blog -- on both sides of the issue, of course. I'll share a few of my favorites, and hope you'll continue to chime in with your thoughts as well. The headlines are mine:
Against Amending the Constitution
"It is quite clear that Conservatives have nothing left to fall back on and are now pushing this issue in attempt to rally their base. Many of whom are afraid of what they do not know. It is mind boggling that they are so quick to discriminate against gay couples who deserve the same rights as those that are afforded to straight couples through marriage. I also blame the Gay and Lesbian organizations who are supposed to help fight against these blatant attempts to alienate gay people by not acting as aggressively as possible. By aggressive I mean a campaign that would help educate the ignorant as to the many contribution of gay and lesbians and one that would remind people that our country should have already learned its lesson about what discrimination does to the fabric of society in general. It is long overdue ... "
Comment from heproductions1
In Favor of Amending the Constitution
"'We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal' by Thomas Jefferson does not mean that marriage should be between two men or two women as our whole Christian Heritage is based on the principal that society is best served by a socially accepted and legally defined marriage as between one man and one woman. Not one man and several women or one women and several men or man and man or woman and woman but between one man and one woman. The gay party are going to extend their beliefs that they should have rights that are not inherintly deemed by the majority of society to be good for that society and no matter how you feel about that it would serve your better interests as gays to back off on areas that are going to cause a greater discrimintion of you than you have had in the past. Perhaps some intelligent reflection would serve your intersts better than provoking the majority of society that want their standards as they have been..."
Comment from petewellton
Let Me Guess: You Were Homeschooled, Right?
"GOD MADED MALE AND FMALE TO BE TOGETHER AND TO INJOY BEINGWITH MALE AND FMALE. NOTTT!!! WITH MALE & MALE OR FMALE & FMALE. YOU!!! SHOULD READ THE BIBLE!!!!GOD!!!DOES NOT WANT YOU TO BE GAY'''''ORLESBIAN''''.IF SO HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADED US DIFFERENT'''SO LIVE IN THIS KIND OF SIN AND YOU WILL GO TO HELLSFIRE .READDD YOUR''''BIBLE'''''BE FOR IT TOO LATE. K.D.C.KIDWELL.INDIANA. "
Comment from kidwellc
People Who SAY They Don't Hate Gays, Then Proceed to Hate on Gays
"God didn't want Adam to be lonely and created WOMAN. I don't hate gay/lesbian people. Those I've worked with have been some of the hardest working, fun people to be teamed with on a project. I pray they all get the psychological help needed before they burn in hell's fire. God may have made them predisposed to prefer someone of the same sex, but that is just their personal 'thorn in the flesh' that God can help them with if they seek His will. We all have 'thorns' which shows God's power and our weakness. We need to lean on HIM!! We know His will so why deliberately make laws to go against Him?"
Comment from olsontype
Favorite Zinger
"And for those who oppose gay marriage i i hope your kids come out gay"
Comment from penthouseboiz
Least Favorite Zinger
"Why did the closet need to be opened?"
Comment from gecollc
UPDATE: June 7, 2006, 1:00 PM Eastern:
· Senate Rejects Ban on Gay Marriage (AOL News)
· Jon Stewart Hits a Gay Marriage Home Run (The Malcontent)
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68 comments:
It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots we actually have in America.
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kidwellc commented about the Bible. She did a fair job for an illiterate!! Heaven help us all. Never mind home -schooling. Just try Schooling! I am hoping that all your misspelled words, inaccurate quotes & just plain ignorance comes from the fact that you just might have been "excited" over the issue. There are statistically 10% of the world population that are gay. No more, no less. Never has been more, never will be more. Perhaps if more people read more instead of voicing opinions without basis in fact, they might just take a long, hard look. Being around gay people won't make you gay, won't give you HIV, won't make your children gay if their teacher is, won't do anything to you other than maybe learning something of interest that the gay person just might have something intelligent to offer. To loosely quote: God doesn't want you to be gay?" says who?All you "straight" people should get some things straight: If God doesn't want people to be gay, then why did he create them? Keeping in mind that being "gay" is not a chice one makes. REMEMBER: GOD DOESN'T MAKE GARBAGE. PEOPLE MAKE GARBAGE (in thought, word & deed).Rather it is something that "is" just like being "straight". Can't change it, don't wanna change it, shouldn't have to change it. Me: married,broadminded,educated, realist, well read , grandparent of 3, mother of 3 (FYI all "straight" just in case you're wondering). Some of my best friends are gay & I wouldn't trade 'em for nothin'.
kidwellc needs to learn to spell for starters.....then she can preach.
I just love these people who pick and choose what they want to quote from the Bible. How about "love thy neighbor as thyself" or "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"(yes, that is in the Bible).
I am a mother and a grandmother and if any of my children or grandchildren told me they were gay, I could never love them any less than I do now.
I believe in "live and let live". I don't want the government telling me who I can marry and who I can't marry. That is exactly what the government is doing to homosexuals. It is not right no matter what Bush or any of the other people who misquote the Bible say. To use the Bible and God's word in this way is just WRONG!!
As far as I'm concerned, the issue of the consitution being used to discriminate is just as important as who is being discriminated against. I don't care what our founding fathers thought about gays; I don't think they would have wanted the consititution used as a tool for alienation. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal..." I want to know how Mr. George Bush and the others who support this amendment define the word equal. Some days I honestly think that if I could, I would rather raise my kids in another country.....the direction the USA seems to be headed is rather scary.
www.brokebackmountainvermont.com I hope everyone will take a minute to visit this wonderful website and consider giving the very gay friendly state of Vermont your support.
I can not belioeve that people will qoute the bible in opposition to gay marriage. In the same chapter of Leviticus where it says "-God looks upon man who sleeps with man or woman without the sacriment of marriage in disgust, it also says the penalty for a childs disrespect towards his parents is death, or that the punishment for man sleeping with a woman while on her period is death by stoning, so before you make yourself look like idiots do the research and educate yourself on what it is that you have been told to believe. This is written by a gay man, obviously only the gays and gay supporters are intelligent enough to be balt to read more than 1 chapter or verse of the bible, which most opposer cling to, what ignorance and hypocracy.
I just want to speak out for the gay people. YES we know that it is a sin to be gay. But we all sin in one or another everyday. Thus LIVING in SIN. For the people that say WE are going to hell I say to them I will look down upon you for judging me...who gave you that right.. So I read my bible and there it saids that only one person can tell me I'm wrong and that is GOD and he will deal with me on judgement day. Second about this marriage. For the ignorant people out there let me talk you that most Gay or lesbian people want to be married not for the religion part of marriage but for the legal put of marriage. Such as taxes, sharing things together like a home and children and to be by your parterns dieing bed. Small things like that straight people take for granted. We do not have rights to those things. So why not take the religion out of it.. Let a gay marriage not be done in a church but gay couples who choose to have life parterns should have the same legal benefits a straight one. Maybe not even calling it marriage if thats what make straight people fell liek they have something of their own. Because this is home of the free and a land that decrimination is not tolerated.Why dont we live by what our founding fathers have taught us?
IT IS TIME FOR ALL CHRISTIANS TO STAND AND I MEAN STAND
ONE MAN ONE WOMAN WE HAVE ALLOWED THE GAY AND LESBIAN
AGENDA GO TO FAR AND WE NEED TO FALL ON FACE AND REPENT
THERS IS A GOD AND HE IS A HOLY GOD AND WE ARE ABOUT TO SEE
JUDEMENT COME UPON THIS WORLD LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!! SAY WHAT YOU WANT
CALL ME ANY THING YOU WANT BUT THANK GOD FOR A PRESIDENT THAT HAS MORALS!!!!
AND THAT WILL PUSH THIS THUR AND MAKE IT TO WHERE THAT IS ILLEGAL TO MARRY SAME SEX COUPLES!!!! GET RIGHT OR GET LEFT HELL WILL BE YOUR AND THEN WILL THINK WAS IT WORTH THE RAGE !!!! WHEN YOU ARE BURNING FOR ETERNITY!!!!
With regards the comments that state religion as a reason for their opposition of gay marriage;
Honestly now, why should any one of you spend your time fighting 2 people who are in loves chose to create a legal union? I realize that you all may be concerned that this will be "the downfall of ethics and moral standards", but get it through your narrow minds, as I have, that there are things we SHOULD be worried over. Such as the sexual predators in the world, both gay and straight and the folks who are out there in the world "bashing" others for their choices, when their choice does not have an affect on anyone else. Your children will see "gay" regardless! Remember when it was tabu for 2 different races to marry? Many people got out their King James and qouted scripture on that as well! I have seen some fine Christians come from those unions! I recently met a young lady who was raised by two gay women. Guess what....she was coordinating a walk for cancer research. Oh and by the way...she's married ( to a man) with 2 children. So please choose your religious debate wisely! H
fine if someome wants to be gay or lisban but it should not be push on our childern in school or try to make the world to accept it been gay is achoice not born that way or they or taught it the mind controlls not the body the way think and make yourself belive and what others tell you or you hear all of your life. beening gay is worng .nothing against the person .it'sjust the choses and trying to push thoses choses and take rights away from others if you really read the bible than you would know that God is aganist it .i hope i do'nt hurt anyone but the turth is hard to accept may God bless us and this country that he gave us
fine if someome wants to be gay or lisban but it should not be push on our childern in school or try to make the world to accept it been gay is achoice not born that way or they or taught it the mind controlls not the body the way think and make yourself belive and what others tell you or you hear all of your life. beening gay is worng .nothing against the person .it'sjust the choses and trying to push thoses choses and take rights away from others if you really read the bible than you would know that God is aganist it .i hope i do'nt hurt anyone but the turth is hard to accept may God bless us and this country that he gave us
I act and sing in local community theaters and have been doing so for well over 30 years.
My hobby has caused me to come in contact with and befriend many Gay people over the years.
When I was younger, I believed that sexuality was a choice. That these people I knew who were Gay either made a conscience or subconscience choice to be Gay.
As time went by and I became more knowledgeable, and hopefully wiser, I started to rethink.
Gay people are born Gay. Just as much as heterosexuals were born heterosexuals.
It is not a trial that God has given them. It is the life they were given.
Gay is not something that you pick up or are infected with. It is not a condition or a disease.
It is as normal as a person being born white, black, or hispanic.
It is simply part of life, and for anyone to deny these people the right to live their lives with all the freedoms because of their sexual orientation is an autrocity.
I am a conservative. I am a Republican. I am against anyone denying another human being their rights based on gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation.
Wrong is wrong.
I have supported President Bush in many things that have been unpopular, but I will not support his stand against Gay marriage.
He has no right nor does anyone else to deny any Gay person the right to marry in their fashion. LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS are not just the rights of heterosexuals.
They are the rights of all people.
"Virtually" no chance of passing?? :-)
Oh, and "kooldude," arguments sound so much more convincing WHEN THEY'RE MADE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!
In any Nation , there must be morals of right , Wrong. Natural and unnatural, . but those who understand call them "Morals" which include Principles of Right , wrong and natural and unnatural, Good and evil, True and false , . a Nation and people must also have standards of the same . and we have put those in the forefront of the people . We also as a society place what is called unaccepted conduct of its people .
why do you suppose there was onlt man and woman ?. and both were created or made one for the other for three reasons . # 1 was to keep man and woman from sinning , i will come back to this one later, #2 was for companionship, #3 was to populate the earth, which two men or two women together cannot do regardless how hard they may try.
Now back to # 1. of course you must believe that God created man and woman for starters, and also you must believe that God made woman from Adam so He would have a Help meet !. and of course you must also believe that there is a God of creation. and the myth that God created Homosexuals must be put to rest, because God created Adam . and then made Eve . and the two were Married by God . and were told to populate the earth. and God didn't create any homosexuals in the beginning , nor did He change His mind and create them later, that would make God a liar, and say He condones what He condemns , and even the homosexual knows that is wrong . the homosexual will not except Gods Word on their conduct as written in the Scriptures , because they say it was written by men, yet they will say that God loves them and made them that way !! where in the scriptures did they find that ? and did not the same men write that to if it be so ?.
God has said in HIs word . THat "All" scripture is given by inspiration of God, "which means "God" breathed" which means that God wrote it Himself". and is profitable for Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." You may find that in
I really don't think it's the governments concern, or anyone else's for that matter, where I spend 'eternity'
personally, I don't believe in hell, and last time I checked, that is my right and still protected under the constitution...if you want to believe I'm going there for being gay, that's your right, but, I'm pretty sure your bible still says "Judge not, lest ye be judged"
I don't try to tell you what to do in your house and your bedroom...so stay the hell out of mine!
THE ISSUE IS ABOUT FAMILY AND MARRIAGE NOT HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS,
THIER AGENDA IS NOT ABOUT RIGHTS BUT AN IN YOUR FACE ATTITUDE AND WANTING THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE THEM THE SEAL OF APPROVAL ON A DEVIANT BEHAVIOR THAT THE ACTIVISTS KNOW IS STILL FROWNED UPON BY SOCIETY IN GENERAL.
THEY KNOW THIS BUT WILL NOT DEBATE THE REAL ISSUE!
To silverwing225:
If we all descended from Adam and Eve then we are all related. We are all sisters and brothers. That would also mean that we are all descendants of incestuous relationships.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Sodom and Gomorrah were burned to the ground because of sexual debauchery, correct?
Sodomy, incest etc.
Hmmmmmmm.
Adam and Eve is a biblical story. God really did not invent Adam from the dust and Eve from his rib. Wouldn't that make Eve a clone? And, if Evev were a clone of Adam so it must follow that Eve and Adam being from the same genetic material would have been incestuous as well.
What horrible people that state they believe in the God and Christ, yet they can sit in on judgement of another so handily despute the fact that we were taught, "Judge not, lest you be judged".
You are just another of the countless religious hypocrites that stand atop their soapboxes and espouse damnation and hellfire on the soulS of Gay people instead of showing the love and compassion that was taught by Christ.
Gay people were made Gay. It was birth. Have you loved them? Do you know them? Have you loved among them? Have you walked a mile in their shoes?
Then how dare you?
As a country we need to be more accepting of the gay or lesbian lifestyle. People are born the way they are. They having nothing to do with it. By not lettning them have the same rights to marriage WE'RE discriminating just like WE discriminated the blacks. We have a chance to not repeat what took hundreds of years to start fixing. If we don't let them get married we're stepping on their rights as AMERICAN CITIZENS! "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Is it really justice if they can't get maried but everybody else can? America as a whole is HYPOCRITICAL.
Gay Marriage? There is no such possible thing. As impossible as it is for me to "marry" my dog or my car. Opening up marriage to include the possibility of "alternate lifestyles" opens up an entirely different meaning to what has been known since the begining of man. When we redefine what has always been wrong and what has always been right, then what's next? If you want to be homosexual, then that's your business. But, don't under any circumstances tell the other 95% of Americans that we'd better like what you're doing. It's come to a point where we as Americans are being told that we'd better accept and love your lifestyle. If not we'll find a judge somewhere who will declare that right is wrong and wrong is right. I have friends who are gay and they tend to agree that this issue has become to political. It is a personal choice that has become an enforced public issue. We as Americans are not very good at accepting socially forced issues, if we are allowed a vote on this issue you will see a tremendous backlash on this incredibly divisive issue.
With all religious views aside, the real issue about gay marriage is the lack of family stability. According to a multidisciplinary approach including research findings and methodologies related to family development (Sigelman-2006) these sociology reports and statistics show that a practicing homosexual has over 1,000 partners in a lifetime as well as a 60% greater divorce rate above the 50% divorce rate of the heterosexual community in the national average. These statistics of a homosexual home far exceeds the percentage of children in abusive home, their exposure to drugs or sexually transmitted diseases, or juvenile delinquents from single-parent homes. Stability is key and this is not something that can be offered by the homosexual community as per statistics and reports.
Why does President Bush or anyone else for that matter care who I live with, sleep with, or share MY life with. I go to work everyday, own my home, raise my son, who by the way is an outstanding young man, pay my bills on time, pay my taxes. Why am I not allowed to be married to whom I want. Isnt it called the
LAND OF THE FREE. I am an American citizen, so why am I not allowed to have all the benefits of one. If given the opportunity I would like to sit with him and ask him to explain to my face why he thinks I am not as good as he is.
Remember before you answer my question, I VOTE!!!!!
I believe the truth,the truth is that gay or lesbian is a choice of a lifestyle that is immoral. I am sick of it being thrown in my face! I have nothing against the people who claim this lifestyle,but why do I have to keep hearing about this part of their lives? Why do we all have to hear the way they prefer sex? I don't want to hear it. If you want to live this lifestyle keep the sexual talk private like EVERYONE should. I dont go around telling people what I do in my bedroom, no one should! Even though I believe it is wrong and immoral, people still are living this way. I dont like it and its my beliefs and morals that have made me this way. God loves ALL of us. ALL OF US, no matter what we "do",but he does not love our sin.thankyou
Why is it that female homosexuals are always referred toas LESBIANS and male homosexuals are referred to as GAY? They are both HOMOSEXUALS. Is everyone afraid of calling them what they are? I beleive so!
Note to researchqueen2: I think it's interesting how straight people often will say what you just did, "I'm sick of it being thrown in my face," as if to say that straight people never talk about their orientation. Don't you know that you do that every day? Your profile says that your hobbies include "God,hubby,kids,music." Are you not "throwing" around the fact that you are straight and married to a man when you say that? I mean, aren't you telling the whole world about who you sleep with?
When I introduce my husband, I'm not throwing anything in your face. I'm just talking about my life. Just like you do.
Kenneth
I hope u all that dissaprove of gay marriage, your kids turn out gay and you go to hell!
Note to gayest editorever, you chose to read my profile. I did not force you to. I dont believe in saying I am straight. It does not make sense. I am married and I dont go around saying what my husband and I do in bed. It is private,so keep it that way. Why do we have to hear what your "sexual preference is". You are a person, I am a person. we are not who we sleep with. We are all people. If you are having your sexual lifestyle the way you choose,go ahead, I just dont want to hear about what you do. I do not post a message and say what I do in my bedroom,why should you?
why is he so against gay marriage? if gay people want to get married let them get married! gay people are not hurting anyone by getting married!!! Our government should give all people equal rights no matter what their sexual preference is!
Ok really Bush what the hello are you doing? Huh? By banning gay marriage will "protect" men and women in their marriage rights? What the hell? How is that protecting their rights? It's not if their not gay is it? It shouldnt matter to anyone who you marry. No one can control another in the way they can live their life. It should be their choice shouldn't it? Why isn't it, why isn't every American free or equal. Being gay is having the freedom of choice to who you would like to marry. Everyone should have the right to choose who they would like to marry. America isn't the best country in the world stop giving yourselves so much credit. If America was then wouldn't we all look out for eachother in equailty, happiness, protection, ect? People grow up and no longer do parents have the ability to say who their child can marry. The people in the world will turn on you. They will because gay people are looked upon as different. Why don't people look at Bush differently look at the shitty job he's done. Gay people do good for economy as do blacks and whites. We are all equal, well we should be. We are all very smart and capuable of anything. If you dont agree think about these few things. Why did people vote for Bush knowing his father as president in past years had issues with Iran and now that he became president what did Bush have on his hands issues with Iraq? Did Bush run for president knowing that he'd finish what his father started? Also, Why do we hear so much on straight men beating their wives/girlfriends and never gay people beating up their girlfriends/boyfriends? Im not saying gay person is perfect but you don't hear much on them other than wanting to be equal in being able to marry. Think about this. Why are people so stuck-up. Why would anyone wanna live in a country with people that look down upon others? I am not an American Idiot.
Has anyone noticed that the great and impotent Wizard of Odd, Bush, is like the other wizard, sending people on impossible missions (WMD) and shaking the curtains (the entire gay marriage hyperbole) to cover the fact that he is simply an incompetent nincompoop, doing as badly as can be in a job for which he is so underqualified that we are the laughing stock of the world? His reasoning that since he prays he is doing the "right" thing for this country is suspicious. Who the hell is he praying to, and just who the hell is answering him?!
All of his posturing and Commander in Chief-ing and unconscionable stands, i.e., gay marriage, abortion, wolmen's rights, are simply to cover up the fact he can't get us out of a war he started - and that he's making Vietnam all over again.
He should be taken seriously though. His governing council of appointees have a handpuppet evangelicals listen to. We should all be working and fighting against them all to keep America free their read on morality and attack on the constitution. This primary has shown that people woujld rather vote for the corrupt incompetents currently in officer in the Rep. party, than clear them out and give someone else a chance to be corrupted.
I'm glad I'm in my 60's since I'll be long gone by the time his Supreme Court wreaks havoc on America, the atmosphere and ozone layer are permanently destroyed, there won't be a National Park left, and the world will be filled with oil and mineral extraction equipment, the air will be as foul as old London's, there won't be an inch of land left for wildlife, poor and unlucky people will be back in poorhouses, and we will finally wake up, and be all sorry we were ever born.
Get with it people - he's the wizard of mass distruction.
"Love your neighbor as yourself." - Jesus
"But only if they hold the same morals and values you do. Otherwise, it doesn't count." -The Christian Conservatives.
"Judge not lest ye be judged" - Jesus
"God so loved the world that He gave them his only begotten son." - The Bible
"But, if someone is gay or a liberal, God hates them and they're going to hell. Same with all them Muslims." - The Christian Conservatives.
I could go on all day with this hypocrisy.
"To use God's name for human hatred is to use His name in vain." - Me
GOD DOES NOT HATE GAYS-HE HATES THE SIN.
"The gay party are going to extend their beliefs that they should have rights that are not inherintly deemed by the majority of society ..."
I think we know who did NOT study under your high school English teacher.
I think we know who did NOT study under any English teacher.
Do bigots have Spell Check?
Do homosexuals like to be called straight? Why not? I think it is because they don't consider themselves to be straight. But now they want to be called married when they are not and cannot be. This is double standards. If homosexuals wish to live in that lifestyle and be faithful to one person so be it. But that is not a marriage just as a man and woman who live together and are faithful to each other are not married. Marriage is an institution composed of a man and a woman. That is the way it has always been and homosexuals and unmarried persons have no right to say they are married. Marriage was started by God and legalized by governmental laws all over the world. Grow up! There are other ways to show your committment to each other than with a lie.
I am wondering Dear Mr Bush (who isn't my president!) how you are protecting MY rights as a married person by trying to ban the marriages of my gay and lesbian friends, neighbors, family members, students, and strangers? How does this save the "sanctity" of my marriage as a woman to a man? That I just cannot understand?? Can you please help me to understand this you ignorant, bigotted, facist?
I am a teacher, a wife, a mother. I am a child of a lesbian mother and proud to be! I have taught my children that love matters. That is all. I do not care if my children are gay or straight. I do not care if they are in interracial relationships! All I care about is that they are loved and that they can give love. That is all that is important. If we teach love, acceptance, understanding, equality what a wonderful nation and world we could live in! We all have a right to love who we love! We have a right to insure our loved ones. We all deserve to be able to be at our loved ones bedside when it is their time to leave this world. We have a right to make decisions about how that life leaves this world if we have spent our entire adult lives with that person, regardless of whether we are straight or gay. You have no right to say that a bond of that magnitude is immoral!
My lord Mr Bush, nobody is threatening to take away your wife's right to nurse you in your last hours, and I have serious doubts as to the fact that you are actually a full human being. You rather remind us that Darwin may have been quite correct.... You sir are not and have never been and never will be my president. Shame on you Mr Bush...
Socurlygirlie@aol.com
i read one of your comments where the person stated a fact. our country already went through vast troubles with discrimanation. why go through that again? i happen to be a woman in an extremely loving relationship with another woman, so why do these "gay haters" care so much? Our constitution says " all men are created equal" we already fixed that statement by adding woman to the mix. so what part of the "all" or the "equal" does this country not understand? personally i don't care if the whole country hates me because i love another woman, i don't care what they think of me having a daughter, what bothers me is that they are placeing "us" in a catagory, preposing that we be treated differently than any one else. i will say this how ever, the day a constitutional ammendment is created discriminating gay and lesbian people, is the day that i rally for minorities (no i am not racist) to be discriminated against again!!!! not because i hate or dislike them,, but if our country is going to become haters all over again, then why not hate on all of the minorities at the same time instead of seperating us from them!!!
To all who are so passionate about the fate of my soul and the fate of all of us gays and lesbians, worry about yourselves, your spouses and children's souls first.
TO K.D.C. Kidwell, from Indiana:
Why is it that the people who so vehemently oppose gay marriage--as well as the rights and privilieges of gay people, in general--seem to be unable to put two words together that are spelled correctly? Could it be their bigotry and hatred for people blinds them and prevents them from being able to formulate a sentence that is legible, not to mention understandable?
I am a born-again Christian, I love God, I believe in His power, and I also believe in HIS unfailing love. I read the Bible, pray daily, and try my hardest to be the BEST Christian that I can be. In November of 2003, when I was at my lowest after a horribly cruel breakup with someone who was also my good friend, I met a woman that I FIRMLY AND ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE was sent into my life by my Loving Father. I know because I heard Him speak to me the night this woman and I first met. Since then, I have been blessed to be in a wonderful, loving, caring, and fulfilling relationship with her, that more than meets my every need. Yes, I would like the world to know that I am in this beautiful committment, with an even MORE beautiful woman, but I can't because of the lop-sided and hateful feelings of people like you. And you call yourself a Christian?
I won't apologize for being "different", as some choose to say. I will, however, respect your right to YOUR opinion, however illiterate and illegible it may seem to be.....You won't win any people over, or save any souls, by acting so ignorant towards others. And please remember, above all else, that GOD IS LOVE and "Judge not, lest YE be judged."
Mostly "straight" people are just worried about the fact that they can't keep it in their pants when they are married. People don't want to feel bad that "evil sinners" can actually fall in love and be faithful and find one person to be with while they can't. Love is love. You can't help who you fall in love with. Love has nothing to do with politics. Politics should have nothing to do with love. Now a days, people forget that love has this little thing to do with marriage, because everyone is too busy trying to screw everyone else over making themselves be on top. They get married for fame or money, or whatever other reason. If they can, why can't people that are truly in love and want to spend a real life together? Let people live. Let people love.
What does it benefit being a homosexual? What disease can you get from it? What does being married in a homosexual relationship benefit? Answer? Nothing! Grow up and get out of this rebellious attitude you're in. Accept the sex you were born with. Marry the opposite sex, have children and be happy. You were born from man and woman. Grow up! It is wrong what you are wanting. You might as well let the murderers murder and the thieves rob for their pleasure. There are laws and standards we have as an adult to go by. Marriage between man and woman is one of them.
Bush is just posturing politically.
As a straight guy, I can't seem to grasp what it is that makes homosexuality any thing other than the sexaully deviant behavior that it is. I have no desire to stop it or prevent it. Go ahead and pursue your happiness.
From this vantage point it appears as if gays want to repeal the laws of nature.
Even if gays get their gay way on every issue, marraige etc., they still deviate from the non-negotiable basic laws of nature, the statistics, the DNA programing, the ying and yang, the polarity of the universe etc.
I can only assume that denial is the gay defense against and rejection of these aspects of observable reality.
Total pro-gay political victories and complete gay solidarity would only amount to a mass group denial and rejection of reality.
Good luck to all you gays, you're going to need it living that dynamic.
I am a Catholic Republican woman who has been married for 20 years to the same boy I married in High School. We both think that a ban on gay marriage is a joke. In this country, straight people have made sure to destroy the sanctity of marriage all by themselves. It is entirely hypocritical with all that is going on in the world to be so worried about running to Congress to ban this. WTF? If they are so worried about gay marriage, because it destroys the sanctity of a marriage between a man and a woman, why won't they allow civil unions at least? One only has to be told the sad story of Tampa PD Officer Lois Marerro to understand how necessary it is. To not allow at least civil unions is to deprive a portion of the population the protection provided by the law. Where does sanctity fit in making sure you dont lose your home or you can still access your bank account or you can make important life decisions if your chosen life partner passes on? That is something I believe everyone should be afforded. It is disgraceful that tax-paying citizens are denied things others are allowed like this.
EVEN "ANIMALS" HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO LAY WITH THEIR OWN KIND!!!!!!
DO YOU SEE DOGS LAYING WITH CATS?
HORSES WITH COWS?
CHICKENS WITH DUCKS?
THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
ONLY "HUMANS" LAY WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX AND EVEN WITH ANIMALS......
NO WONDER GOD "REPENTED" WHEN HE MADE "MANKIND"...
MAN IS EVIL TO THE CORE!!!!!
AND NOW THE "GOVERNMENT " DOES NOT WANT TO "BAN"
SAME SEX MARRIAGES---HOW SICK!!!
HELL IS WAITING FOR THE PERVERTED !!
GOD DOES NOT "BLESS" SUCH RELATIONSHIPS !!
PRAY FOR OUR NATION AND PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF ISRAEL....
SAPPLEYE777@AOL.COM
I copied this off the comments page:
EVEN "ANIMALS" HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO LAY WITH THEIR OWN KIND!!!!!!
DO YOU SEE DOGS LAYING WITH CATS?
HORSES WITH COWS?
CHICKENS WITH DUCKS?
THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
ONLY "HUMANS" LAY WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX AND EVEN WITH ANIMALS......
NO WONDER GOD "REPENTED" WHEN HE MADE "MANKIND"...
MAN IS EVIL TO THE CORE!!!!!
AND NOW THE "GOVERNMENT " DOES NOT WANT TO "BAN"
SAME SEX MARRIAGES---HOW SICK!!!
HELL IS WAITING FOR THE PERVERTED !!
GOD DOES NOT "BLESS" SUCH RELATIONSHIPS !!
PRAY FOR OUR NATION AND PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF ISRAEL....
Obviously this person has never lived on a farm. Growing up on the farm we had a rooster that thought he was a hin. Kept trying to steel the chicks from the other hins. We had a ram that was in love with another ram and wouldn't have anything to do with the ues. We even had two buck rabbits that had eyes only for each other. Wouldn't have a thing to do with Feefee. So don't go talking about things you have no idea about God did to make gay animals. You city folk don't know what your talking about.
Panther 1214 Thursday, June 8 3:10:37 AM EDT
Why Bush Wants Gay Marriage Banned in the U.S. Constitution NOW :
Marriage is an institution sanctioned by the church not the government. Bush has no right in asking for a constitutional amendment regarding this matter because of the separation of church and state. We have some very real issues to deal with without this distraction because that is what it is, a distraction. Real issues that need to be addressed are the efforts to return Katrina victims to their homes and jobs;the very real issue of healthcare for the working poor and middle class that either cannot afford it or it is not offered through their jobs; reinstate access to healthcare for active duty members, retirees and their families; what about all the scandals that are coming out of Capital Hill because of greed and corruption; what about the constantly rising gas prices that enable the gas companies to continue to gain profits;what happened to affordable child care for working people;why not an increase in the minimum wage; why do they always cut healthcare and educational grants when they are looking for a wage to reduce their spending instead of cutting costs to the rich; why are we still fighting a war where we are losing thousands of our soldiers;why are they cutting healthcare access to the veterans who fought in the previous wars and were guarenteed healthcare coverage for life;where are the jobs for non-skilled workers that are being taken by the hordes of illegal aliens who can get benefits that we cannot get. etc..This presidency has not benefitted the American people in the least because our country is being sold off to the Europeons to the highest bidder. We are back in trillions of dollars in debt whereas when Clinton left the office we had 3
~ Incline your ear, and come unto Me: Hear, and your soul shall live. Isaiah 55:3 ~
So STOP ~ LISTEN ~ HEAR ~ OBEY ~ and LIVE.
It is really a no brainier. The Bible repeatedly says "He who has an ear, let him hear"...Yet so many refuse to hear, see or speak THE TRUTH
"Ye shall know the truth and the TRUTH shall set you free."
God does not ask that you just listen to HIM. He wants you to HEAR HIM. No matter what the issue. If you earnestly seek God, you will know what is right and you will have peace in the truth. Even when the truth is the unpopular answer.
We are sinful creatures. EVERY ONE of us. The Lord says, Man sees with his eyes what is on the outside but that God looks at the heart of man. So look into your own heart...what does it say?
You think/know you are gay/lesbian....check your heart and quit arguing with your head. And all those around you. The enemy seeks to steal, kill and destroy. So, is your life decision stealing precious joy from your life? Is it killing your relationships with friends and cherished loved ones? Or worse with GOD? Is it destroying your life? Only you can make the choice. That is exactly the way God wanted it to be.
Sure we all have temptations in our lives, but it is what we do with the temptations that matters. We can either ask for grace and strength to refrain and/or deliverance from our sinful nature, or we can close our eyes and ears and refuse to see or hear and do as we see fit. Either way we reap what we sow. BUT when we are in Christ we are new and ALL things which can separate us from God become offensive to us. We may be tempted to do them, but they burden us to do so. And when we do sin, we are crushed deep in our hearts and soul and yearn for repentance and forgiveness. So we cast our burdens on Him where our sins are cover by Jesus' blood and cast away. Because of the price He paid for our sins on the cross.
~If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new. II Corinthians 5:17~
~Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. Romans 12:2~
"To be or not to be"..Is NOT the question. We ALL are what we are. However, what we do with what we are is a totally different thing. Seek God, and you will find HIM. And He will complete you.
Doesn't it say in the Bible that the only person that is able to judge us is God and only him? So when you voice your opinions and make all of these hateful and assanine (sp) comments about what is right and what is not, then aren't you in fact judging? You know what just fuck it... I mean I personally like the fact that my private life is just that. I don't need a piece of paper with a few words about marriage and what not to justify or make my 9 year relationship with the only woman I have ever been with valid. I can only make sure that what we have established together will only go to our kids and to the surviving person in the event that one of us passes etc.... All of this stuff is tiresome to say the least. We have bigger issues to deal with, like all of the men and women (not just Americans) in this foolish war that seems like its never going to end, or of all the people that are still without homes in Louisiana due to the hurricanes that ravished the Gulf Coast last year and will possibly do so again this year because we are too busy with our noses in other people business wanting to know who is sleeping with whom the fixing the levee system and making sure that gas prices will soon be affordable to everyone.
READ THE BIBLE, God says it all, Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Adam!!!!!!!!!!!
OK Gay dudes and Dudes girls.Listen carefulley Hey you can do your gay stuff But you need to know That god made adam and eve Not adam and adam or eve and eve. It says in the bible . I want you to know This before i start. Ok in the bible it says every thing will get worse in this world and i guess if bush passes the bill that all gay people can get married in the usa.Then he and his carpetbeggers are going to hell and all of you same sex dodes and dudes are going to hell with him.I just wanted you to know you need to keep it behind closed doors, Because the end of time is almost here. I am sorry for all of you because the gay world is a sin. I am not judging you i am just telling you you need to repent and ask for forgiveness .. i wish i could have a better thing to say but i just want you to know. I dont want you guys to go to hell.You guys are just like me,You are not really gay.You just think you are. A man is susposed to be with a woman. not a made up woman. And a Woman is susposed to be with a man. If you are going to continued gay things then keep it under your belt hidden in your closet. Because it is going to make the world crazy I am telling yo relgious KKK members are going to come out and i will be the leader . Have a nice Day, Ronda
I THANK THE WHOLE THING MAN/MAN OR WOMAN/WOMAN IS ASICK JOKE.
ANY BAN HAS MY VOTE[ GET A LIFEOR GO BACK TO THE CLOSET AND LOCK IT]
D.SEIBER
OREGON U S A
THE MORE YOU 'ATTEMT' TO STOP SAME GENDER MARRAGE, THE MORE THAT PERSON WANT IT..........WHERE IF YOU 'GIVE IT THE GREEN LIGHT' THEN , so MAYBE THEY should think "ok we let same gender marry' then more people will be happy, and to the same gender people that want to marry, if your state dont permit you to marry...then DO NOT GO THERE
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL< That is what America is about.
Remember that GOD does not like ugly, and we have lots of people doing ugly things. God created me and for his creation he made me what I am today. God has been there for me always and will always be ther for all Gay, straight, black, white. Stop the hurt. This has notheing to do with relation, this is about our living with who you choose and to be happy and recognized as American Citizens.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION- ITS OUR RIGHTS AS US CITIZENS
I can't help but shake my head when so-called Christians claim that marriage is a God-created institution. Nothing like rewriting history. Marriage, such as it is, developed because of the need/desire of very wealthy, generally royal, families to keep their money in the hands of those deemed worthy of it. It has also, historically, worked nicely as a way to enslave women who were once viewed as the property of their husbands.
My final thought: if the institution of marriage is in disarray and under attack, then the only folks to blame are those who have been allowed to get married all along.
To everyone posting in CAPS LOCK: Guys, it only takes 3/8 of an inch to keep yourself from seeming like a total moron over the internet. Caps lock, turn it off.Also, take note that the idiots who have the need to post in caps lock are also the people against Homosexual marraiges, hmmmm
I just don't see what the problem is here. Don't like homosexual marraige? Don't marry inside your own gender, problem solved! Wow, how am I the only one who realises this? It is not up to Congress to legislate morality, and blocking this would probably get overturned in Judicial Review anyway, given that it overrides states rights, and arguably our first amendment rights too, both of which are in the appropriately named "Bill of Rights"
And to those who argue that marraige is for procreation, why is it then that you allow infertile couples to marry as well? Or older people? I just don't get it. Or is that the next group you're going to attack with your inbred moronic hate campaign? After this, what's next, you'll outlaw marraige between people of different skin color? This is just opening the door to further restrictions of freedom.
To those of you who argue marraige is a religous institution, why are we making a law? Wouldn't that violate the First Amendment? You know, what whole Congress can't make any laws supporting or hindering the practice of any specific religon, nor can it establish a state-sponsored religon? Hmm, sounds like a violation of the Constitution if this ever gets passed, not that most people are intelligent enough to realize that... morons, all of you..
Why is the default position of closet bigots to assure us all that they have "several" gay friends? It's a pretty cheap trick. For some reason, all these imaginary gay people think a lot like their straight friends. Why don't you just tell us what YOU think. Forcing your fascistic opinions on your "many gay friends" with seemingly weak backbones will not make us agree with you any more. Nor will it disguise the truth of the matter: that the problem you have with homosexuality is not moral or some sort of ancient vendetta you carry out for a silent god. It's your own insecurity in a world where the answers are never simple. I suggest you open your mind, because, we're here, and it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
well.... the love is only one. there is no different kind of loves for same or opposite sex. the love is only one. its al lthe time love as such as romantic, walking on the beach, buy a rose, going out to the movie, dinner, everything is the same love we had. no matter what. And also it sometime pissed me off when you people bring up the bible, adam and eve.. god might against gay things but god still loves us no matter what or who we are. i know gay is make us sick BUT there is the love is only one kind. you should let gay people more happy who they love. please reember love is only one kind. theres no different kind of love we made.
If they are trying to pass an amendment to the Constitution banning Gay marriage doesn't that mean by inference that is leagl now. So whay can't we marry . The States can't pass a law the goes against the federal law.
The good news was that Bush did not get his way and the bad news is our government nit-picks issues that should be decided upon by the people. That is what the real meaning of FREEDOM is. By the way, I want Bill Clinton back.
Keep your religon and hate out of what my God wants for me.
I support gay marriages. So what if its two guys two girls or a guy and a girl if you love each other than you should be able to get married. I hate people who think its wrong to be a gay or lesbian or bisexual. I fight with my friends everyday about gay marriage. Everyone thinks its wrong and that its going against god but i dont think it is. At my old church we were looking for a minister and a guy a came gave a sermen guess what he was a gay man. So what if your gay or lesbian or bisexual or straight if your not hurting anyone what doesnt matter. If the gays are bothering you that much then go commit suicide cause there not leaving. As long as they dont hit on you then you'll be fine if they hit on you them you can start complaining. Until then shut your mouth and deal.
ok. Ima 25 successful lesbian female. I am educated and continung it and am very cultured and see what people do to society....people that are ignorant! Those that don't know gay people or prefer them around i say to you, what are you hiding yourself? And thoise that do know some gay people and still don't agree....not everyone is the same. We are all made to be different are we not? If we were meant to be the same there would be no color in our life or anywhere. Why must you be so hated for soemthing that is a persons preferance and true self? Are you really racist in that matter....and why doesn't it apply to a persons race? All people who are homophobic or racist are ignorant beyond all belief and just wrong. Besides why yell and discriminate against us. Does it make it right for a husband to beat his wife just b/c it's man and woman? Or when a man molested and rapes a girl b/c it's a manand woman? With your man and woman bs that would be right to you wouldn't it? So you people disgust me for not seeing it outside the box. And for my loving bible thumpers....i was born and raised and baptized roman catholic and the sooner you realize the bible is a contradiction the better you will be! And if you wanna refer to reading the bible...i have i actually studied it for 2 years in college. If you didn't already know many pharrows were bi and the king at the time himself was gay. Known disciples and follwers of jesus were gay and bi. Remeber he also took in mary magdallen and several criminals and helped them and comforted them, not hate them. So i leave you with one though my christian loving condemming us to hell society members......we don't condem or judge so we will be smiling at you in hell. Or if we do go to hell....were taking you with us! If it's a crime to be gay it's a crime to hate and judge but we will have a very fabulous spot donw there and make yours worse. Thank you.
Bible thumpers need to get a life!..Don't have HATE in you HEART.
Who has the right to say that a man cannot love a man, and a women cannot love a women? Do you think a father doesn't love his son, and a mother doesn't love her daughter? Marriage doesn't have to be religious.
Do you think the people that get married in Las Vegas are having a religious ceremony!? Marriage is something between two people no matter what sex; which defines an everlasting love for eachother. The Unites States if one of the most homophobic countries in the world. Just because we are different doesn't mean we don't have feelings, and don't have the need to be loved, and have love for someone else.
Most American's are just AFRAID of the UNKNOWN. When you understand something, you are less likely to be predjudice. The Bible was written thousands of years ago....I think it's time for a MAKEOVER!
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!
Bible thumpers need to get a life!..Don't have HATE in you HEART.
Who has the right to say that a man cannot love a man, and a women cannot love a women? Do you think a father doesn't love his son, and a mother doesn't love her daughter? Marriage doesn't have to be religious.
Do you think the people that get married in Las Vegas are having a religious ceremony!? Marriage is something between two people no matter what sex; which defines an everlasting love for eachother. The Unites States if one of the most homophobic countries in the world. Just because we are different doesn't mean we don't have feelings, and don't have the need to be loved, and have love for someone else.
Most American's are just AFRAID of the UNKNOWN. When you understand something, you are less likely to be predjudice. The Bible was written thousands of years ago....I think it's time for a MAKEOVER!
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!
Despite the constitutional mandate of separation of church and state, the Republican party wants to ram it Christian ethics down everyone else's throats. And the Christians who quote their bible against gay marriage do so only because they have been brainwashed to believe that it is some sort of sin. On the other hand, they disregard some of God's laws such as Exodus 21:7 sanctioning the selling of a daughter into slavery. If they really understood the history of the Bible, they'd find that it is probably the single most condensed and adulterated book on the planet. It is by no stretch of the imagination the official word of a single God. The opening lines of Genesis are a bad condensation of the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian document of the creation of "heaven and earth" which pre-dates it by thousands of years. "God" is the planet Nibiru that smashes into Tiamat in the primordial events of the creation of the solar system, thus creating the "hammered bracelet/heaven" and the remains of Tiamat in a new orbit and renamed Earth. Remember, that during the sixth century B.C. the Greeks came up with the philosophy of combining polytheism of the time into monotheism, so that what God is claimed have said in the Bible, is in fact numerous gods and copied from older documents dating back to the Sumerians. And, if you read what the Sumerians recorded from their gods, it's quite a different matter. (Start with the "Lost Book of Enki" translated by Zecharia Sitchin.) Those of you that have read it are aware that Enki and his sister Ninmah, created modern man through genetic engineering. If you bigoted Christians would think for yourself for a change, and not listen to your religious leaders or politicians, and read everything you can about the history before Christianity, you will have to give up the mean-spirited dogma that you believe in. Homosexuals were created by the gods or were descen
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MARRIAGE IS FO EVERYONE INCLUDING GAY AND LESBIAN PEOPLE. I AM A LESBIAN AND I AM PROUD TO BE PROPOSING TO MY SWEETHEART TOMMORROW. NO MATER WHAT BUSH SAYS I KNOW WHO I'LL BE SLEEPING NEXT TO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. AND YES, YES, YES SHE'S A WOMAN LOVING WOMAN LIKE ME. KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
SINCERLY
E. FULLILOVE
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